Friday, March 2, 2012

Rachael Oldfield, in her rogatory interview, said they were next door to the McCann's...

“Kate did, when we sat down at the table on the Thursday night, Kate said that erm, Madeleine and Sean had cried, said they’d been crying, erm and you know wondered where she was, or wondered where you know, Mummy and Daddy were, erm I mean this was kind of after Madeleine disappeared, we talked, she mentioned that when we sat at the table on Thursday and then after Madeleine had disappeared, erm McCANN’s said, oh well I wonder whether on the Wednesday, you know somebody had tried to get in perhaps or had got in and they’d seen something.......

.....erm you know and I was next door in the apartment but I mean I didn’t hear any, well you know, I didn’t hear anything, I could well have been asleep, erm you could hear quite a lot through the apartments because G***e, she always wakes up early but because she seemed to have diarrhoea every night, she’d wake up sort of six o’clock most mornings and we’d always have to put her in the, in the shower or in the bath first thing, and Gerry and Kate would always hear that and so you know, most of the comments first thing in the morning would be like, oh so G***e was up early again, she’d be invariably screaming her head off, so”.

Monday, February 27, 2012

Rachael Oldfield : Question“The third of May, are you able to summarise the days activities”?

Reply “Yeah, the day was actually, it was different to the others because, well it was warmer weather wise, erm we went to the Millennium for breakfast as usual,....

....erm we did that every day, Gerry and Kate didn’t, it was just too far for them to go with the twins, so they didn’t ever go for breakfast up there,

I think apart from the first morning, erm so Matt, Grace and I went up to the Millennium, there was nobody else there from our group, erm and just as we were finishing and leaving, Russell arrived with Ella and Evie, erm Jane, because their tennis lesson had been cancelled the day before,

Jane was in the, stayed back at the Ocean Club to start her lesson, cos that started at nine, erm and so I took Grace to the crèche and Matt stayed with Russell, erm and they took Ella, I think they took Ella down to her crèche and then the, Matt wanted to go down to the beach and go sailing, erm so I took Grace to crèche and then erm Matt and I were having a tennis lesson at eleven o’clock,...

....and so basically it just, you know I just sat by the pool and read my book, sort of waiting for the tennis lesson and Kate, Kate was there and we sat together and had you know, chatted a bit, erm and then I think Diane might have been there as well, remember chatting to Kate cos we were talking about schools and that sort of thing,....

....erm and holidays, erm and then I think it must have been at about ten thirty, Madeleine and Ella and their sort of group came to have a tennis lesson as part of their crèche activities,....

......erm and Kate didn’t have her camera and Jane was there then as well and Jane took some photos of both Madeleine and Ella, that’s one, that poster of Madeleine with the tennis balls, that sort of pictures”.

Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Rachael Oldfield : Interview With Radio BBC 4 - 24th April 2008

(Presenter) Since my conversation with that senior figure in Portugal, all seven of the McCann’s friends have been re-interviewed by British police officers, with detectives from the Policia Judiciaria, or ‘PJ’, present. The seven witnesses include Rachael Oldfield, who has given her first ever interview to this programme.

Rachael Oldfield - Rogatory Statement


"She, yeah because erm, we didn't, we don't really like sleeping in the same room as her but there wasn't really nowhere else to put her cos you know, obviously she was going to bed at seven thirty and then we'd have had to kind of hide in the bathroom or something for the rest of the night, so we put, yeah she slept in our room as well erm".

"Yeah. So basically we'd go and have dinner and then we'd sort of run back you know every fifteen twenty minutes and have a listen at the door and make sure nobody's screaming their head off".

"Erm well we'd go into the room, which ordinarily we wouldn't do to be honest, erm but she seemed to have diarrhoea and kind of, I mean she'd settled quite well actually cos she'd been tired every evening, erm but every morning when she woke up, she had diarrhoea and it had gone right through her grow bag and so there's all this sort of horrendous smell, so in the evenings when we were checking, we'd go into the room just to see if you know, there was any sort of smell yet, erm and just to make sure she was alright, to make sure she hadn't been sick, partly I think cos Matt had been sick, just wanted to make sure she hadn't been, in case it was some sort of bug".

1578 "Okay, and the route taken"?

Reply "Was up the road and then in through the car park at the back and in through the front door.

1578 "In through the front door"?

Reply "Mmm yeah, I mean the patio doors were locked, erm yeah I didn't really like going up there by myself, it was, like going through that car park was quite dark and there was never anyone around, it was a bit, you know made me feel a bit uneasy".

1578 "Okay. Did you want to mention something about the Doctors in the group"?

Reply "Yeah I was just going to say that, you know Kate and Gerry are both Doctors and you know there were three other medics in the group erm four others actually sorry, four others, erm you know so if by any chance they'd accidentally done anything to Madeleine or she was ill or erm you know something wasn't quite right, I mean they wouldn't have just left her and sort of tried to cover it up as an accident or you know, they would or sort of you know, come and got Matt and Russell and Dave and Fi, erm I mean you know, not just because they are Doctors, because you know they're parents and you'd kind of go to anyone to see who could help but if you got, you know Doctors as friends who were there as well, erm you know there were kind of six people there who if Madeleine had accidentally been bumped on the head or you know whatever the theories are supposed to be, erm you know, there were plenty of people there who could of you know tried to revive a child, erm".

Rachael Oldfield Statement - 15th May 2007

Witness StatementRachel Mampilly
Date: 2007-05-15

She confirms the integrity of her previous statements.

When asked, she said this was the first time she had been in Portugal.

She travelled with her husband Matthew, her daughter G***e, aged 19 months.

In addition to these, the group was made up of the McCann family (with three children the eldest being Madeleine) the Payne family (two children), Dianne Webster, Fiona Paynes mother and Obrien and his partner Jane Tanner, who also have two children.

The group was composed of nine adults and eight children.

They arrived in Portugal on Saturday 28th April, arriving at the OC in the middle of the afternoon. They flew from Gatwick to Faro. The Payne, McCann families and Diane Webster arrived an hour later by a separate flight (East Midlands ? Faro).

On that evening they all went for dinner at the Millenium restaurant.

On the morning of the 29th, Sunday, they all went to play tennis except for Matthew because he was ill (vomiting and diarrhoea) and ROB.

The children went to the Club.

They all lunched in David and Fionas apartment.

The McCanns lunched in their apartment and then went to meet the others.

 In the afternoon the children slept (except the McCann children) and afterwards they went to the recreation area.

At 17.00 the children went for dinner.

Immediately afterwards, the witness, her husband and daughter went to walk on the beach.

She thinks that the McCanns remained at the recreation area near to the pool and tennis courts, as did the others.

 At about 20.30 when the children has been bathed and were asleep, they all went for dinner at the Tapas Restaurant, near to the pool.

The only beach they members of the group went to was the beach in P da L.

On the 29th, 30th, April, 1st, 2nd and 3rd May they always dined at the Tapas restaurant.

On Monday they were told that there was no room for all of them in the restaurant, but they obtained a special favour from a waiter and all dined together.

 In order to obtain this favour they said that the children were asleep and that they could not move anywhere else.

For this reason, from this day onwards they would reserve a space in the restaurant (for the adults) for the following day.

That on the five consecutive nights they dines at the Tapas restaurant they always followed the same ritual.

They would always begin dinner at 8.30, after the children were asleep.

 If one of them hadn't fallen asleep, one member of the couple would stay until the child had fallen asleep and as soon as that happened, would go and join the others.

This happened to ROB on Tuesday evening and he did not manage to have dinner, his partner Jane Tanner brought him his dinner in his room.

On Wednesday evening the witness did not go for dinner because she was feeling ill and spent the day in the apartment.

On Thursday evening, for the same reason, ROB went to dinner ten minutes late.

The ritual during dinner was always the same.

The Payne family used a walkie talkie to check whether their children woke up. For this reason they never left the table and were calm. This couple when they left, would always lock the windows and doors, in spite of their apartment being on the first floor.

The witness and her husband who were staying on the ground floor (5B) in a space of 20 - 30 minutes would leave the restaurant and go to the apartment, entering by the front door and checking on G***e. They always locked the door and closed the windows.

The ROB and JT couple did exactly the same as the witness. They locked the door and closed the windows.

The McCanns who were staying in 5? on the ground floor left the patio doors closed but not locked so that every 30 minutes during dinner, one of them would check to see how the children were.

Each couple checked on their own children.

She never noticed anything strange during dinner or when checking on the children.

On 3rd May, the day of Madeleines disappearance they all (except for the McCanns who stayed in their apartment) has breakfast at the Millenium at 08.00.

Afterwards the witness took G***e to the Club. Madeleine and the twins also went to the Club that morning, as well as the other children in the group.

Matthew and ROB went to the beach.

The Payne couple were also at the beach.

The witness, after leaving G***e at the club went to the apartment to get ready for tennis.

Also present at the tennis courts between 9.10 and 10.10 were Kate McCann, Dianne Webster and Jane Tanner.

The witnesses tennis session was at 11 with Matthew after he returned from the beach. Gerrys tennis session was at 10.00.

After tennis, as usual they went to pick up the children and all had lunch in David and Fionas apartment apart from the McCann family.

After lunch the children went to sleep.

She was not with the McCanns that afternoon until dinner time. She does not know what they did or where they were during that time.

They spent most of the time on the beach that afternoon.

They saw Kate running on the beach but she did not stop and they did not speak.

All the children, except the McCann children dined at a beach restaurant at 17.30.

 After the children?s dinner, the men went to play tennis and the women and children watched, once again except for the McCann family (Gerry was playing tennis but she did not see Kate or the children).

Afterwards they went to bathe the children and put them to bed.

When they arrived at the restaurant at 20.45 the McCann couple was already there.

They were talking to a couple they knew from tennis, whose name she cannot remember.

Jane was also there but she was not talking to them.

The Payne family and Dianne arrived just after 21.00.

Matthew bumped into them as he had gone to the apartment, but he did not enter, he just listened outside to see if there was any noise.

He did the same at the Tanner and McCann apartments.

The window shutters of the McCann's apartments were closed.

The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed.

 In order to enter they had to raise the shutter.
At about 21.00 they were all seated at the restaurant. At 21.05 Gerry went to check on his children and returned minutes later.

 Jane also went to heck on her children before returning.

Gerry said that he was chatting to a tennis friend called Jez about the tennis tournament that would take place the following day.

When Jane returned they began to eat dinner.

At about 21.30 Matthew and Russell went to check on their children at the same time.

They offered to check on the McCann children.

After checking his children Matthew went to see the McCann children.

In order to do so he entered via the patio doors.

According to what her husband told her the bedroom door was ajar.

He did not enter the room and therefore cannot say whether Madeleine was in the room or not.

All he could confirm was that nobody was crying and the twins were there.

Russell was not with him as he had stayed in his apartment because one of his children was crying.

Matthew returned to the table and said that all was calm, except for Russell's daughter, which is why ROB stayed with her.

In the meantime they began dinner (at that time they would be eating their starters) and after eating Jane went to Russell to see if he wanted to have dinner. It was about 21.45.

While Russell was having dinner, Kate went to see the children. Minutes later at about 22.00 she returned to the restaurant in complete panic, saying that Madeleine had disappeared.

During that day and evening the witness had not seen anything strange.

She just says that at about 21.15 when Gerry was talking to Jez, Jane saw a man carrying a child in pyjamas, bare foot crossing road between blocks 5 and 6.

According to Jane she did not see the face of the man carrying the child.

She could only tell what she saw.

When asked what the relation between the group was she says that all the men and Fiona are doctors and a friendship had built up between them because at one stage or another, they had worked together.

In spite of not living in the same town they would meet up.

Fiona and David Payne are the closest to the McCann family.

It is the second time that they have been on holiday with these friends.

In September 2006, they went for a week to the island of Zakynthos in Greece. However, neither the McCann family nor Diane Webster went.

When asked she says that all the couples have been together for various years (between 8 and 12 years).

They all have stable relationships. She does not know whether any female or male members of the group have had any other relationships between them, other than the current.

She does not have any knowledge of whether any members has a parallel relationship with any other members of the group.

When asked, she says that there is no friction or conflict between those that make up the group as they are in total harmony as regards the kind of holidays they take, they all have good jobs and identical levels of living as well as having the children in common, whom they all have to look after and they try as hard as possible to do everything together.

She says that in terms of harmony and friendship the group is very close.

When asked about the characteristics of the other couples, she says that they are all persons of normal considered behaviour, and has nothing to point out.

She says that the first time she saw the suspect Robert Murat was on the night of 3rd May shortly after they had discovered Madeleine was missing.

She saw him for the first time at about 23.30 in the covered area between apartments 5B and D. She thought it very strange as he seemed to be there watching, trying to be the next person to talk to the couples from the group.

That immediately, when the police arrived, he introduced himself to elements of the group, namely Russell, accompanied by the GNR, translating all the initial contacts between the group and the police.
When asked, she says that she does not know whether he entered the McCanns apartment with the police.

As regards the other people searching for the girl outside the apartment he tried to contact them directly, saying that he had a daughter of the same age as Madeleine, offering to translate whatever was necessary.

She thought this individual?s behaviour was very strange, given the intensity of his presence.

In addition, all the people they contacted that night belonged to the MW resort and he stayed there, in the middle of them, without anyone knowing where he had come from.

Because of her profession (personnel recruitment, interviews) she thinks she knows a bit about human behaviour, thinking it rather strange that he introduced himself in such an insistent manner.

She saw that this individual was with the police in the area for some minutes before she lost sight of him. She does not know whether he managed to enter the McCann?s apartment.

She thinks that after this night she only saw him again on Sunday, 6th May in the morning, in the P da L church during mass.

She saw him again on 11th May when he was translating some statements at the PJ in Portimao.

She thinks he spoke again and wanted to draw close to her companions with great intensity, wanting to talk about his life, saying that he was carrying out work in a house in the UK, that he had a daughter of the same age as Madeleine, that she was phoning him a lot to ask how he was (which she though strange given the girl?s young age), always showing a familiarity that was out of the ordinary.

She always had the impression that this individual had strange behaviour and that he wanted to impose his presence, trying to take part in everything that was related to Madeleine?s disappearance.

She did not see him again, except for yesterday, when he was shown on various television channels as a suspect in the abduction of Madeleine.

She then felt her suspicions about this individual would be confirmed, feeling bad for not having expressed them earlier to others and to the police.

Rachael Oldfield Statement May 11th 2007

Processos Volume IV 943 to 947
Witness statement of Rachel M. J. Oldfield 2007.05.11
Rachael Mampilly Oldfield 11 May 2007
An Alby translation cleaning up the google
—– She confirmed the truth of the statements made to the Police Department on 04/05/2007 and is ready to provide any additional clarifications.
—– She stayed in apartment “5B”, which is located immediately next to the apartment of the MCCANN family. That on 03/05/2007, Thursday, she rose between 06H30 and 07:00, along with her husband MATHEW and their daughter G***e of 19 months.
—– At 07H50, they went to the restaurant “MILLENNIUM”, on foot, arriving by 08.00 to have breakfast.
She stated that they had been the first of the group to arrive, and, later, came David and Fiona, and two children, then RUSSEL with his children.
JANE did not come because that morning she did not feel well.
They took the usual route, alone, having left the apartment by the main door, which was locked, turned right, just after that a left, reaching the main road that led to the said restaurant.
 They took breakfast together at the same table, including the children.

—– When the breakfast was over, by 09H00, the deponent took her daughter to “nursery” next to the “tapas”, while her husband MATHEW was with RUSSEL to take his daughter E**a to “nursery” at the main reception.
The witness says she returned to her apartment, did some cleaning and changed clothes as she had scheduled a tennis lesson for llH00.
At 09H45 she left the apartment and went to the swimming pool area where she read a book and talked with KATE until llH10, the time at which she went to the tennis courts since the lesson was delayed slightly.
At that time her husband MATHEW arrived also to play tennis until about 12.10 pm.

—– After class, they collected [took up] their daughter and went to the apartment of David Payne and FIONA, where thay had lunch all together.
At 13h45, the three returned to their apartment, where they put down her daughter who slept for about two hours.
The deponent went to play tennis with JANE until 15.00, while her husband MATHEW went to the balcony of RUSSEL to talk, or vice versa, she doesn’t know exactly, their apartment being located to the side of his and there is only one other apartment between the two.

—– After the game of tennis, the witness returned home to rest, her husband and RUSSEL having gone to the beach of Luz to sail.
At about 15:45, her daughter having woken up, she took her to the beach of Luz in the company of DIANE, Jane, Fiona and their respective children, where they found MATHEW, RUSSEL and DAVTD.
At 17H30 the children dined in one of restaurants by the beach, [she] not having detected any abnormal or strange situation.
—– By 18:30, the women and children returned from the beach in the direction of the “OCEAN CLUB” with a view to seeing their husbands play tennis, who had returned from the beach about five minutes before.
Prior to going to the apartment she was with the children in the playground area, next to the “tapas”, until about 19.00.
—– Then she went to the apartment where she gave her daughter a bath, MATHEW returning at 19.15.
The washed and dressed and put their daughter to bed by 19:45.
The deponent and her husband took a bath, dressed and went to the restaurant “TAPAS” around 20H40.
They left by the main door, which they locked, arriving at the “TAPAS” about two minutes later. She emphasized that the back door was closed and properly locked.

—– When she arrived at the restaurant there was KATE, Gerald and Jane who were talking to another couple who were not part of the group. RUSSEL had not yet arrived because he was singing the daughter to sleep, according to what she was told by JANE.

—– The deponent states that she sat more or less facing the back of the apartment and MATHEW, on the side of the table, you her left.
She does not know if, from that position, he could the the back door of the apartment where Madeleine was, it being that, in her case, she could only see the top end/edge.

—– Then RUSSEL arrived and after another 10 minutes, when it would be around 20H55, the PAYNE family – David, Fiona and DIANE – arrived. About a minute before the PAYNEs arrived, her husband MATHEW got up from the table and said he was going to go, taking the opportunity [of the Payne's tardiness?] “to listen” to the children.

She states that, according to those what they [the Paynes] told her, MATHEW passed them on his way out.

 After about 4 minutes, MATHEW returned to the table when they ordered the food, and said he had “listened” to his daughter and to the RUSSEL and MCCANN children, outside the front by putting his head [ear] against the shutters of the windows of their respective bedrooms and that everything was calm with the children.

 Both ate fish and salad, the deponent drank white wine and MATHEW [drank] red wine, she thought that, at the time, one glass each.

—– By 21.05, GERALD went see his children, and about 10 minutes later JANE left before GM had returned.
A few minutes after Jane left GERALD arrived and said he had been talking to “Jez” about tennis, [she] not recalling if he said anything about the children.
During this time she affirmed that no one else left the table.
Two or three minutes after the arrival of Gerald, Jane arrived, [she] again not recalling whether [Jane] made any comment about her children.

—– At 21H20 they began to dine, and, at 21.30, her husband MATHEW said that he would go to see to his daughter, G***e.
The witness offered to go in his place, but he did not accept.
RUSSEL also stood up saying that he would also go to see his children.
When they were both standing, KATE said the same, namely, that she would also go to see her children.
At that point, presumably, she cannot be sure, if her husband MATHEW or RUSSEL volunteered to go to see KATE’s children, and she them that they would have to enter by the back door, which was unlocked.
RUSSEL and MATHEW left at the same time.
About five minutes later, MATHEW returned saying that the children were all well, and that RUSSEL had stayed in the bedroom as one of his daughters was crying.

—– By 21H40/21H45, when they were at dinner, Jane said that he was going to replace RUSSEL so that he could eat, since she had already eaten. About five minutes later RUSSEL returned to the table saying that his daughter E**e was sick and had vomited, [he] starting to dine afterwards.

—– About 21H55/22H00 KATE got up from the table and went alone to her apartment in order to see her children.
Five to ten minutes later, she returned the table, crying, visibly shaken, saying that Madeleine had disappeared.
Immediately, all of the group, except DIANE, stood up heading for the apartments, and the witness went to see if her daughter was well.
Soon after, the men of the group started to do a search around the apartments in an attempt to find the child, at which time the KATE said that the window blinds of MADELEINE’s bedroom were open and, as such, she had been taken by someone.

—– The deponent states that she did not enter the bedroom of MADELEINE, thinking that MATHEW her husband also had not done. Then, they extended the search to more distant areas, and her husband headed to the main reception to see if he could find MADELEINE there, since her “nursery” was there, that also being the place he contacted the local police authorities.

—– They continued the search with the help of more people, which resulted in nothing.
Further that, about 10 minutes after KATE raised the alarm about the disappearance, the deponent was with JANE in the apartment of the latter.
While talking,  JANE told her that when she came to see their children and passed Gerald talking to “Jez”, she saw a man with a child, supported in the arms, which would not be a baby and could have been more or less the age of MADELEINE.
 Also she said that when she saw the man, it seemed strange because he was walking very fast and had a child wearing pyjamas, without any other piece of clothing.
That she questioned her [about it], JANE said to the deponent that at the time she had said nothing because she knew nothing of the disappearance of Madeleine and she had not seen the face of the child.
Asked, says that, initially JANE focused more on the description of the man and, only a few days later, did she make reference to the clothes that the child would have worn, which would be pyjamas, not recalling if [when] she made a comprehensive description of clothing, especially at the color or design.

—– Questioned, she said that on Thursday, 03/05/2007, there was no body sitting at the table, strange to the group, and she does not know anyone with the name “IRWIN.”

—– She added that it was David Payne who organized this trip, and the apartment where she was already intended at the time she made the check in, there not having been any choice.

—– She does not have any suspicion in relation to the facts under investigation, stressing that in the holiday period preceding the day of the disappearance she did not find anything abnormal or strange.

—– Concerning the monitoring of the children every half hour, it was inspired by the system that “MARK Warner” has and that it is known as “baby listening” and she had used this service in 2006 when they stayed at a holiday resort in Greece
—– Questioned, said that no part of the group rented, or was carried in a vehicle, so movement was always made on foot, they only travelled by bus on the day of arrival, on the route between the Faro airport and the “OCEAN CLUB.”

—– She got to know the family MCCANN at the marriage of David and Fiona, in Italy in 2003, at which time MADELEINE was already 4 months old. She does not know of any enemies.

—– She has no knowledge, in addition to their group, of other friends of the family of MADELEINE, who may have been in Portugal during the period in which occurred the facts.
—– That, in the the photographs she took during this holiday, there are recorded only the various members of the group.
Questioned, she states that during the holiday period she went to lunch at the apartment of David and Fiona, and that MADELEINE entered the apartment of the deponent at some time.
—– Questioned, she said that on the day they arrived, her husband MATHEW felt sick with diarrhea and vomiting, a situation that lasted until Sunday morning. Furthermore, on Wednesday, in the early morning, she also felt sick with the same symptoms.

Rachael Oldfield Statement - May 4th 2007

Processos Volume I

Pages 73 - 76

Witness Statement

Date: 2007-05-04

Time: 19.20

Interviewing Officer: Inspector Joao Carvalho

Name: Rachael Mariamma Jean Mampilly Oldfield.

Nationality: British

Marital Status: Married

Profession: Recruitment Consultant

Interview with Rachael Mariamma Jean Mampilly Oldfield.

On the subject we note that.

Being a British citizen and not understanding the Portuguese language, in spoken or written form, the undersigned was accompanied by a sworn translator: Filipa M.C.S. The interview begins at 7.20pm on May 4th 2007.

Since last Saturday, April 28th 2007, she has been on holiday in Portugal at the Ocean Club tourist complex in Praia da Luz, accompanied by her husband Matthew Oldfield. They travelled from London to Faro airport with their daughter ******, aged 19 months. This trip was organised for a group of nine adults and eight children. Her husband and her daughter are part of the group:
- The couple, Russell O'Brien and Jane Michelle Tanner, with their daughters, **** aged three and a half and **** aged 19 months.
- David and Fiona Payne with their daughters *** aged three years and ***** aged 12 months.
- Gerald (Gerry) McCann and Kate MCann with their twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 26 months and Madeleine aged 4 years.

Also in their group is Diane Webster, Fiona Payne's mother.

The holiday was organised because the men in the group are all doctors, in addition to
[as are]
Fiona Payne and Kate McCann who worked together for a long time. These shared holidays are usually organised for the whole group, although for the last holiday, last September, Gerry McCann and Kate McCann did not go to Greece with the group.

The interviewee has known the couple, Gerry and Kate, since 2003. Her husband, Matthew, knew them from before. On arrival at the airport, they were transported in a, "Mark Warner," company bus. There were other people on the bus apart from the group. They were put up at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

The couples had their own, individual apartments, at the same complex, with their respective children. Since their arrival until yesterday evening, when Madeleine disappeared, the days have all been the same.

After breakfast, taken between 8 and 9 am in the Millennium restaurant, she takes her daughter to the Kids Club, about 10 minutes walk from the apartment. The other couples do exactly the same thing, with the exception of Gerry and Kate McCann who have breakfast in their apartment. The interviewee's daughter goes to a room at the Kids Club which is close to the, "TAPAS," restaurant. Madeleine goes to another room, situated near the club's reception, because she is older.

After dropping her daughter off, the interviewee had a tennis lesson between 11 and 12 o'clock. Then she went back to the Kids Club to pick up her daughter, ******, for lunch, between 12h15/12h30. She made ******'s lunch and then they went to Russell O'Brien or David Payne's apartment, where they all ate together. Only Gerry and Kate McCann had lunch in their apartment with the twins and Madeleine. The interviewee has the impression that the McCann family had one lunch together on the beach.

All members of the group did their shopping at the only supermarket near the complex, the "Batista."
 she not being concerned however about it. There are several till-points, more or less five. Twice she went to shop having always been attended at the till by ladies.

She never saw any suspicious attention, or ever had suspicions about anybody she came across, either in their independent activities or in the group with their children.

Her relationship with the couple, Gerry and Kate, is one of good friendship and they meet up occasionally at celebrations, weddings and birthdays.

Concerning Madeleine, she is a happy child, good natured and full of energy. She considers it impossible that a stranger could take her without her shouting or crying. She is a smart child who knows right from wrong.


They had the habit of going to eat every evening at the,"TAPAS," restaurant which is about 50 metres from the apartments as the crow flies but 65 or 70 metres round the building to the back entrance.

Yesterday, at around 8.45pm, like every evening, they joined the rest of the group to eat at the," tapas," restaurant. Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around 9pm, the couple arrived followed by Matthew two or three minutes later. He had been to check the children's bedrooms, his own apartment where his daughter was sleeping but also that of the twins and Madeleine. He listened at both closed shutters and didn't hear any noise. He also checked to see if there was any noise in Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner's apartment. He said that he hadn't heard any noise.

After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment. He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis. Today there was a tournament which they both had to compete in. During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. Before Gerry arrived Jane Michelle Tanner also left [absented herself] having gone to see her apartment. A little later Jane arrived.

Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children. Kate was also planning to go and see the children, but they told her it was no trouble, that they would go and check. Kate, therefore, stayed at the restaurant. Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back after having checked his apartment. He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He entered the apartment by the sliding door/window at the rear (the couple Gerry and Kate McCann left that access unlocked during dinner). The said patio door gives access to the apartment's lounge where two doors open into the respective bedrooms.

Her husband went into the main room and "peeped" into one of the bedrooms where the couple's three children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open. It was only later that he realised this was strange. At the time, he gave no importance to the fact. The interviewee's husband came back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine, that he hadn't heard any noise. He also said that Russell O'Brien was staying with his daughter, ****, who was crying.

They had the main course and Jane went off to replace Russell so that he could come and eat. The interviewee does not know exactly when Russell arrived.

At around 10pm, Kate McCann went on her own to check her children. She came back to the restaurant in tears and told us that Madeleine had disappeared. We all got up then and went with her to see. They were all outside some having gone to the apartment to check if in fact Madeleine had disappeared, it having been confirmed. The twins carried on sleeping. They didn't move.

The interviewee has nothing else to add. After reading with the interpreter, who explains to her, she goes on and signs.

The interviewee remembers Kate having said that one of the windows facing to the front of the apartment was found open with the shutter raised. The couple had never opened the shutters during their stay.
After this they began to search and called the police.


Inspector Carvalho and F.M da C.S.